Comments on: Training in the Arts vs. Teaching Sciences https://educationalrenaissance.com/2019/09/07/training-in-the-arts-vs-teaching-sciences/ Promoting a Rebirth of Ancient Wisdom for the Modern Era Mon, 15 May 2023 00:03:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Jason Barney https://educationalrenaissance.com/2019/09/07/training-in-the-arts-vs-teaching-sciences/#comment-228 Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:12:50 +0000 https://educationalrenaissance.com/?p=509#comment-228 In reply to Jacob.

Agreed on both counts.

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By: Jacob https://educationalrenaissance.com/2019/09/07/training-in-the-arts-vs-teaching-sciences/#comment-227 Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:44:48 +0000 https://educationalrenaissance.com/?p=509#comment-227 I appreciate this sentiment. One of the things I appreciate about using a program like The Lost Tools of Writing is that it emphasizes practicing rhetoric, whereas a rhetoric textbook will give students lots of information *about* rhetoric while having few, if any, actual exercises designed to practice the art.

I think history is another discipline we treat as a science to our peril, but that’s a discussion for another day!

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By: Jason Barney https://educationalrenaissance.com/2019/09/07/training-in-the-arts-vs-teaching-sciences/#comment-226 Fri, 05 Feb 2021 15:29:34 +0000 https://educationalrenaissance.com/?p=509#comment-226 In reply to Teren.

Teren, great scriptural parallel! I’d never noticed that before in Titus. I’ve come to think that the distinction between training and teaching transcends Aristotle, resonating in the lifeworld and common insight of humanity. For anyone who has experienced it, training someone else in a habit or skill is so manifestly different from communicating knowledge, that it’s almost impossible for a culture not to recognize it linguistically. That doesn’t mean that we can’t break the principles in practice, though, and perhaps especially in modern scientistic and technocratic world. Thanks for commenting!

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By: Teren https://educationalrenaissance.com/2019/09/07/training-in-the-arts-vs-teaching-sciences/#comment-225 Fri, 05 Feb 2021 15:09:09 +0000 https://educationalrenaissance.com/?p=509#comment-225 Thank you for this. I have often pondered the difference between these two ideas. It seems like the Apostle Paul might be getting at this in Titus 2 in his instructions concerning women. He lays out a responsibility for older women to teach the good (2:3- kaladidaskalos) to younger women and to train them in virtue/temperance (2:4-sophronizo) in the practical applications of it. This particular construction of words doesn’t have any direct parallels in the NT, but it does seem to be drawing from the virtue ideals of the Greek world. I first started thinking about this because Homer idealizes Penelope as a keeper of the home. Could Paul be condemning the Cretans with the words of their own prophets, while he commends an ideal from their own poets? Thanks for contributing to my musings.

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